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How should we select crews?

Do ergs Float? Should we seat race? Is strength relevant? Or given the popularity of a previous poll, should democracy be allowed to flourish? You choose:

Seat Racing		22%

Pairs Matrix		22%

Sculling trial		5%

Bodyweight-adjusted 2k erg test		7%

absolute 2k erg test		2%

10m erg test		0%

Max Bench Press		2%

Democratic Web Poll		7%

Previous term's lard consumption		7%

Formal Hall pulling prowess		15%

By default because there are more available seats than rowers		7%

Fiat racing.		2%

Total: 41 members' votes

by Ingers - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 12:49am

Good to see 2k's as popular as ever!

by Mike - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 8:48am

The Poll said: To vote, select one of the following options

Why can we only select one option? Surely a real selection policy would take into account all of the above options and more. You don't want to make it look like the club's gone soft these days ;)

by RTT - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 11:31am

How many people who've voted for it have actually been in a pairs matrix?

by neo- - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 11:49am

RTT said: How many people who've voted for it have actually been in a pairs matrix?

What is the pairs matrix?

by mjb - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 11:54am

RTT said: How many people who've voted for it have actually been in a pairs matrix?

Similarly, how many people who voted for Fiat racing have actually raced a Fiat ??

by Mike - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 12:03pm

neo- said: What is the pairs matrix?

Coach: "Make sure you cover the spoon"

Rower: "There is no spoon"

by jpd - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 12:18pm

RTT said: How many people who've voted for it have actually been in a pairs matrix?

I suspect that my vote went through as pairs matrix (instead of the intended seat racing) as IE screwed up my voting form.

Having said that, I have partaken in a pairs matrix.

by Dan - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 12:35pm

how could you not want to do it as a pairs matrix? You get to row in pairs all day which makes it far more enjoyable than any other type of selection policy that you could use. Although i guess given that it is a poll to decide the best way to select crews this probably isnt the best reason to vote for it!

by Dubya - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 3:32pm

Dan said: how could you not want to do it as a pairs matrix?

Unfortunately if you use it for selection you surely will end up in a pair with someone you would much rather not row a pair with. The only way to avoid this problem and still have the enjoyability of being on the water is a sculling trial. How could you not want to do it as a sculling trial?

by Dubya - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 3:32pm

Dubya said: someone you would much rather not row a pair with.

Personal example: dangerous dave.

by RTT - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 3:37pm

Dubya said: Unfortunately if you use it for selection you surely will end up in a pair with someone you would much rather not row a pair with.

Ummmm.....preposition?

And of course there is the obvious point that in a matrix you swap partners, so yes, everyone has to row with "Dave", but everyone gets to row with "Jamie" too.

by Dubya - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 3:50pm

RTT said: And of course there is the obvious point that in a matrix you swap partners, so yes, everyone has to row with "Dave", but everyone gets to row with "Jamie" too.

I suspect that if we had actually had a pairs matrix that year and if contrary to expectation crap people like me and Dave were to participate, I would have had the pleasure of rowing with Dave and not Jamie, while you would have rowed with Jamie but, lucky for you, not Dave.

by Dubya - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 3:51pm

btw I hope Dave doesnt read this page.

by Anything to do with being short - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 10:45pm

My vote would be for something that doesn't happen on the reach with at least two or three races having to avoid oncoming traffic....

Surely size of (car) stereo might be a factor to take into account in who goes in pairs with whom.....

by Dan - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 11:09pm

well obviously you would just need to hold the races off cam to obtain satisfactory results. however i see dubyas point about the pairs, although theyre fun if they work they can be a pain if they dont. also potentially wet. maybe sculling would be a better option.

by dw229 - Mon 23rd Feb 2004, 11:11pm

I can't scull.

Oh, maybe that's the point. :(

by Mike - Tue 24th Feb 2004, 9:12am

Dan said: maybe sculling would be a better option.

What about swapping blades while in a single?

by Dubya - Tue 24th Feb 2004, 9:44am

Mike said: What about swapping blades while in a single?

It's easy!

by Mike - Tue 24th Feb 2004, 9:56am

Dubya said: It's easy!

Well done - you've made the crew...

by TomC - Tue 24th Feb 2004, 10:10am

Formal hall pulling prowess: although this is horrific and a potential health hazard, it would be good measure of just how badly people want to make the crew. Similarly lard consumption, but there's a danger that people might be able to "buy" their seats.

by mjb - Tue 24th Feb 2004, 10:12am

Mike said: Well done - you've made the crew...

But as Bow or Cox ?

by Dubya - Tue 24th Feb 2004, 11:12am

Mike said: Well done - you've made the crew...

I was only trying to create a Picky-esque moment... you're supposed to challenge, not believe!

by Mike - Tue 24th Feb 2004, 12:23pm

Dubya said: I was only trying to create a Picky-esque moment... you're supposed to challenge, not believe!

Alright - maybe I was selecting the crew based on being able to claim that you can swap the blades in a single. Or something. [/backpedal]

by Dubya - Wed 25th Feb 2004, 1:31pm

This poll has had more votes than any other!

by ipe - Wed 25th Feb 2004, 6:36pm

Dubya said: This poll has had more votes than any other!

No it hasn't.

by rb - Wed 25th Feb 2004, 11:07pm

The poll "Which FaT/BPBC boat will complete the Fairbairns course in the shortest time?" attracted the most votes - with 47. This poll is currently in joint 2nd place with 37 votes though

by RTT - Thu 26th Feb 2004, 9:28am

Hurrah for the pairs matrix! Making a huge push for the finish, reminiscent of myself and Gaypers in the semi-final of S1 at Gloucester.

by Dubya - Fri 27th Feb 2004, 10:21am

Seems seat-racing is pushing back!