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Which was the better 2nd May VIII?

It must come down to these two, but who pips it.
Find their result histories...
Here (2002)
Here (1999)

2002: Walker, Goldmanis, Byrne, Peck, Jane, Clouting, Thorne, Davies, Adams (Up 4)		31%

1999: Remoundos, Fisher, Blackburn, Goodson, Sherrington, Peck, Ingram, Case, MacGregor (Up 3)		69%

Total: 29 members' votes

by Dubya - Sun 2nd May 2004, 7:12pm

This is a very Peck-centric poll. Discuss.

by Involved with both crews - Sun 2nd May 2004, 7:16pm

Posted by Stalker though

by dw229 - Mon 3rd May 2004, 3:30pm

Of course, until some late injuries the crew actually read:

Walker, Goldmanis, Earl, Colvin, Jane, Clouting, Thorne, Davies, Adams

It was with this crew that we posted our Grind time equal to the 1999 crew.

by Mike - Mon 3rd May 2004, 4:16pm

Surely the only relevant page to compare these crews is here. And I'm not biased or anything, but Cover Our Spoons is clearly a superior example of the 2nd VIII song...

by dw229 - Mon 3rd May 2004, 6:27pm

Hold your horses Mike, there's another poll coming...

by Mike - Tue 4th May 2004, 7:54am

dw229 said: Hold your horses Mike, there's another poll coming...

Well I guess you've already got my vote for that then ;)

by gf - Tue 4th May 2004, 1:23pm

dw229 said: Of course, until some late injuries the crew actually read:

Walker, Goldmanis, Earl, Colvin, Jane, Clouting, Thorne, Davies, Adams

It was with this crew that we posted our Grind time equal to the 1999 crew.

Whereas our only completed grind was done when we were still two bickering IVs occupying the same craft, rather than the VIII seen later in term...

by 3 second may colours - Tue 4th May 2004, 2:08pm

dw229 said: It was with this crew that we posted our Grind time equal to the 1999 crew.

Dan, unlikely though it may seem, wasn't the Grind done the first time I subbed? I do remember doing one then. I recall the time was surprisingly good - not only because it was my first time in a boat for 2 terms, but also because it was the last of a series of pieces at the end of an outing to Bottisham.

Having said that, as Graham has said, the sublime 1999 boat never got a decent run at it... so in my humble opinion the score after considering Grinds stands at 1-1.

by Mike - Tue 4th May 2004, 3:04pm

So if you're not allowed to consider songs in this poll, then surely you have to take into account the fact that only the 1999 crew (or one member of it anyway) came up with about 20 new answers for the seemingly simple joke "what kind of pie can fly?", ranging from the feasible (pie-lot) to the familiar but in the wrong joke (jelly-copter) to the ridiculous (bustard tart).

Bonus points for 1999 I feel...

by gf - Tue 4th May 2004, 3:06pm

BTW, any rival claims from the 1986(?) or 1997 crews, as those were the only ones post-merger but pre-2002 to win blades?

by Dubya - Tue 4th May 2004, 3:19pm

And didnt Crawford have a good 2nd eight at some point?

by Simon - Thu 6th May 2004, 9:42pm

gf said: BTW, any rival claims from the 1986(?) or 1997 crews, as those were the only ones post-merger but pre-2002 to win blades?

Does one of these crews hold the grind record?

by Ingers - Thu 6th May 2004, 10:34pm

The official 2nd VIII grind record is held equally by the 1999 and 2002 crews. This time is 1 sec faster than the previous record which was held jointly by the 1997 and 1998 crews. The 1999 crew believe they were on for a 3 second faster time [as from PaceCoach data] when they had to stop at Grassy. The 2002 crew reckon they also could have gone faster if they had ever done one fresh.

by cynic - Fri 7th May 2004, 7:41am

The 1999 crew believe they were on for a 3 second faster time [as from PaceCoach data] when they had to stop at Grassy. The 2002 crew reckon they also could have gone faster if they had ever done one fresh.

excuses excuses....

by gf - Fri 7th May 2004, 8:39am

cynic said: excuses excuses....

Also, in 1999, that grind (as all our outings) was not helped by the mass of mixed leaves and vinaigrette which impeded the action of Chris' seat...

by Martin - Fri 7th May 2004, 8:45am

Ingers said: The 1999 crew believe they were on for a 3 second faster time [as from PaceCoach data] when they had to stop at Grassy.

The injustice of it all. Very annoying. I don't even remember the time though - what was it? Perhaps the website should store grind times too...

Don't recall the 1998 boat doing any decent times, though. Only 1 second slower?

by dw229 - Fri 7th May 2004, 9:45am

I reckon if we swapped Peck for Colvin we would have gone at least 3 sec quicker :P

Perhaps a comparison of who/where both crews bumped will help. For 2002:
Jesus II - Railway Bridge (from 9th)
LMBC II - middle of Reach (from 8th)
Girton - 1/3 of the Reach (from 7th)
Peterhouse - The Gut (from 6th)

by Mike - Fri 7th May 2004, 10:14am

dw229 said: Perhaps a comparison of who/where both crews bumped will help.

1999:

LMBC II: 1 minute past Ditton (from 3rd in M2)
Clare I: Just over 1 minute past Ditton (from 2nd in M2)
Disney: Before Motorway Bridge (from 18th in M1)

by Martin - Fri 7th May 2004, 10:30am

dw229 said: I reckon if we swapped Peck for Colvin we would have gone at least 3 sec quicker :P

naahh, I'd been quiching all outing so as to not loose the plot - was in good shape by the last piece!

by Martin - Fri 7th May 2004, 10:35am

dw229 said: Perhaps a comparison of who/where both crews bumped will help.

... I think the poll has been well and truly decided by now though, Dan. The club has spoken! It would have to be one pretty damn impressive push for the line to overcome the deficit for the 2002 outfit now.

by dw229 - Fri 7th May 2004, 10:43am

*sob* Well, we've still got a chance in the song poll...

by gf - Fri 7th May 2004, 10:49am

dw229 said: *sob* Well, we've still got a chance in the song poll...

Oooh - reckon 97 & 98 have got to be strong contenders there...