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by Anna Mc - Thu 3rd Mar 2005, 4:24pm
Well done W1 for bumping Churchill. I'm guessing that was a particularly sweet bump. Good luck to everyone racing in the next two days. RAH RAH 1st & 3rd.

by Anything to do with being short - Thu 3rd Mar 2005, 9:33am
I was pushing off: we should have been fined, as the bung was dropped early. Fisher was right there to adjudicate. Incidendally (spelling?) I told Pete that we should be fined, but someone (don't know who, but a third party) radioed through that the chain had caught on something under the water and the fine should be reduced.....

by Simon - Thu 3rd Mar 2005, 9:09am
I think fining people for dropping the bung discourages them from doing it which is good as it encourages people to make sure they have a competent bank party pushing them off. Let's face it, there are plenty of times where we've seen crews start off at stupid angles because the push off has gone wrong and the cox hasn't dropped the bung. In these situations dropping the bung would gain an advantage (or remove a disadvantage) but as it wouldn't necessarily be an obvious quantifiable one, you can't change the result of the race. Thus you fine the crew instead. And you also fine them when the bung is dropped accidently with no attempt to seek advantage, just in the same way that you penalise accidental errors in rugby in a lesser way than deliberate errors.

by It wasn't my fault! - Thu 3rd Mar 2005, 1:12am
In fairness, we REALLY did not gain any advantage from dropping the bung. 2 and 4 were rowing light pressure and 5 and 7 weren't rowing at all for the draw strokes... On Friday, we plan to row with 8 rowers who a) WILL NOT COME OFF THEIR SEATS and b) WILL ROW WITH FEET STRAPPED IN THE BOAT!

by Simon - Wed 2nd Mar 2005, 11:35pm
Far away but still cheering you on said: Since when has this been a fining offence? Ages and ages... it's a fine if you drop it and don't gain advantage, and then it's at the Umpire's discretion to change the result of a race if s/he thinks a crew gains advantage.

by Far away but still cheering you on - Wed 2nd Mar 2005, 10:02pm
I notice that M3 got a fine for dropping the bung. Since when has this been a fining offence? Given their descriptions of the start, they certainly didn't gain any advantage, so I don't understand why the fine has been given. Can anybody more up to date on the rules enlighten me? By the way, Ra Ra First and Third. Good luck to all crews. (1st men - It's traditional to hit Caius on Day 2 to go head, and then spend the rest of the week about 6 inches ahead of them! I look forward to reading the reports)

by Deskbound for Bumps - Wed 2nd Mar 2005, 4:22pm
Great result for W1 today. Well done. Good luck chasing Churchill tomorrow, they are so so yours.

by esther (wanting to be there rather than stuck here in a boat) - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 10:36pm
Forgotten bumps had started. Good luck everyone!

by Mike - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 6:38pm
Martin said: Anyone fancy Maypole-ing this evening? Will Thorne, Andrew Fisher and I agreed to head there around 7:30. Sounds good to me.

by Martin - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 6:01pm
Anyone fancy Maypole-ing this evening? Will Thorne, Andrew Fisher and I agreed to head there around 7:30.

by Mike - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 5:47pm
Mike said: How bored are you? You could check the last few years' charts for any such occurrences... To answer that question: no-one has yet achieved the uber-blades of bumping five times on five different days. Fitzwilliam W1 were on course in 2001, having bumped up three times (into the first division) in the first three days before plague struck and racing was cancelled. After day 1 this year, four crews (King's M1, Pembroke M2, Robinson W1 and Caius W2) are still on course to manage it. Yes. I am bored.

by Mike - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 5:36pm
Dubya said: no but you'd have sub-spoons, which is arguably just as cool. Maybe, but as there is no way of being bumped more than four times (this being a sensible institution with a sensible set of bumping rules) it would therefore also be impossible to be bumped on five consecutive days. There goes your race plan...

by Dubya - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 5:25pm
Mike said: That wouldn't really qualify you for uber-blades though would it? no but you'd have sub-spoons, which is arguably just as cool.

by Mike - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 5:22pm
Dubya said: Cant you also do it by being bumped down, That wouldn't really qualify you for uber-blades though would it?

by Mike - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 5:22pm
Bored said: the stupid new Lents rule I was also going to point out that Chris was showing his age ;) I suspect that the 'new' rule has been around longer than any current club rowers. Mind you, I remember rowing in (the 7th VIII at the bottom of) the now-defunct 5th division, and I agree that the current setup is both stupid and new...

by Dubya - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 5:18pm
Mike said: Not necessarily. You could start 2nd in Division 2, bump up on day 1 to sandwich boat, then bump the remaining four days in Division 1. Or start 3rd in Division 3, bump up to sandwich boat by the 2nd day, then bump three days in Division 2. Or start 4th in Division 4 etc etc. How bored are you? You could check the last few years' charts for any such occurrences... Cant you also do it by being bumped down, assuming you start in the 2nd or 3rd divisions? Cant be bothered to work out the details but am sure it is possible.

by gf - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 5:15pm
Simon said: It's now in its 8th year... when does it stop being new? The New Forest hasn't been renamed yet...

by Simon - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 5:14pm
Bored said: With the stupid new Lents rule It's now in its 8th year... when does it stop being new?

by Mike - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 5:14pm
Bored said: (I imagine this could only work starting in the 4th division?) Not necessarily. You could start 2nd in Division 2, bump up on day 1 to sandwich boat, then bump the remaining four days in Division 1. Or start 3rd in Division 3, bump up to sandwich boat by the 2nd day, then bump three days in Division 2. Or start 4th in Division 4 etc etc. How bored are you? You could check the last few years' charts for any such occurrences...

by mjb - Tue 1st Mar 2005, 5:11pm
Bored said: (I imagine this could only work starting in the 4th division?) No, you just have to ensure you start off (n-1)th in the nth division ...

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