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by I've never bothered to call in, but... - Wed 14th Mar 2007, 8:22pm
Simon said: Bear in mind that at one stage during the broadcast this would have earnt you £30k:
That's if you managed to get through. I heard somewhere that at busy times, the chance of a caller getting through could be as high as 10,000:1.
by even better.. - Wed 14th Mar 2007, 8:08pm
Really stretching the numbers to fit the answer said: then write down further figures with the leading digits removed: 0p, 5p, 47p, 6p, 0p (total 58p)
then again write down further figures with another leading digit removed: 0p, 0p, 7p, 0p, 0p (total 7p)
What I really don't get is the justification of this bit..? surely '16' is '16' not '16+6'? I can kind of accept the rest of it..
the 'official' answer (according to the Telegraph) seems even weirder:

"Two pounds is 200p plus 2p (two p) [no further justiication given] and 1p (at the beginning of 'pounds') makes 203p

25p: 25p plus 5p and 1p (the 'p' in the question) = 31p

£1.47 = 147p

16p: 16p plus 6p and 1p = 23p

Fifty pence: 50p plus 50p (fifty p, a shortening of pence), 1p (reference to pence) and 1p (from the 'p') = 102p

203+31+147+23+102 = 506
by Simon - Wed 14th Mar 2007, 8:00pm
Really stretching the numbers to fit the answer said: A convoluted way of looking at it
Wll done Richard - that's about it. ITV have now published the official result. Bear in mind that at one stage during the broadcast this would have earnt you £30k:
ITV explained that the answer could be reached by breaking up the figures in the list to find all the references to pence. Thus:

-Two pounds is 200p plus 2p (two p) and 1p (p at the beginning of 'pounds') which makes 203p

-25p: 25p plus 5p and 1p (the p symbol) = 31p £1.47 = 147p

-6p: 16p plus 6p and 1p (p again) = 23p

-Fifty pence: 50p plus 50p (fifty p, a shortening of pence), 1p (reference to pence) and 1p (p only) = 102p

-Adding 203p, 31p, 147p, 23p and 102p gives a total of 506p
by Really stretching the numbers to fit the answer - Wed 14th Mar 2007, 7:23pm
Simon said: As this is crosswords and other puzzles, here's one from ITVPlay, currently subject to inevstigation by Ofcom:
A graphic asked viewers to "Add the pence" from "Two pounds, 25p, £1.47, 16p, Fifty pence".
More than three hours later, the host announced the answer was 506 and that no-one had won. No method was given. ITV has denied the problem was particularly complex but has not commented further.
A convoluted way of looking at it

£2
25p
£1.47
16p
50p

write them in pence: 200p, 25p, 147p, 16p, 50p (total 438p)
then write down further figures with the leading digits removed: 0p, 5p, 47p, 6p, 0p (total 58p)
then again write down further figures with another leading digit removed: 0p, 0p, 7p, 0p, 0p (total 7p)

The sum of these three subtotals = 503p

Now look back at the question. Add the pence:

Two pounds, 25p, £1.47, 16p. 50pence

There are 3 p or pence listed. Add this to the toal that we already had.

506p - simple.
by Does this make me a genius? - Mon 12th Mar 2007, 9:26pm
The Times Online said: ..a puzzle intended for an early-hours viewing audience of drunks and poor sleepers...
... A reader of The Times said [about the show] ...
Good to see the Times has so much respect for its readership!

As for how you get to 506..
Add two pounds worth of old money (2 * 20 shillings/pounds * 12 pence/shilling) to the other numbers in pence = 718
Subtract the 75p you spent calling in your answer = 643
This leaves you £1.37, which is taken into account by the 40.77 minutes you spent complaining to ITVPlay, or the 19.57 minutes complaining to OFCOM = 506p. Obvious.
by Simon - Mon 12th Mar 2007, 4:09pm
As this is crosswords and other puzzles, here's one from ITVPlay, currently subject to inevstigation by Ofcom:
A graphic asked viewers to "Add the pence" from "Two pounds, 25p, £1.47, 16p, Fifty pence".
More than three hours later, the host announced the answer was 506 and that no-one had won. No method was given. ITV has denied the problem was particularly complex but has not commented further.
by Highest common factor - Fri 9th Mar 2007, 9:46am
Nice. I can't come up with anything to follow that though.
by Neil T - Fri 9th Mar 2007, 8:55am
Fabulous Ming's hot coach of term: number one for two thousand and seven? (7, 6, 6)
I'll take the stony silence as a request for hints, so here you go:

1) No specialist knowledge is required; anyone at the club (or not at the club) could solve this.

2) Unlike the clue, the answer has nothing to do with rowing.

3) If I'm honest, 'Fabulous' wasn't a great choice of word. It enhances the surface reading but is a bit dubious in the cryptic reading. Better would have been "Staggering Ming's...".
by Neil T - Thu 8th Mar 2007, 12:53am
RTT said: ...(not that I can see a great deal of use for it here).
I think the 1st Men might disagree with that.

So here's one for them:

Fabulous Ming's hot coach of term: number one for two thousand and seven? (7, 6, 6)
by RTT - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 10:21pm
Olly Olly said: Oh that's just silly. Apologies to the 99% of people reading this who are confused.
I did say it was not for everyone. In fact, I guess it was really just aimed at you (although clearly there are plenty of others who would be able to get it).

Having said that, I like the new chant (not that I can see a great deal of use for it here).
by Olly Olly - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 10:16pm
RTT said: Sorry, no. I was originally going to use the word "masters" instead of "leaders", but decided the latter sounded better in relation to the bumps.
Oh that's just silly. Apologies to the 99% of people reading this who are confused. I prefer 'King Ming' as an answer anyway, and may chant it a few times now to reinforce that view.
by RTT - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 10:06pm
Neil T said: Is it 'King Ming'? (As in Ming Campbell, leader of the Lib Dems.)

If it isn't, it should be.
Sorry, no. I was originally going to use the word "masters" instead of "leaders", but decided the latter sounded better in relation to the bumps.
by Neil T - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 10:03pm
RTT said: A further hint to the previous one: Two years ago the clue would not have worked.
Is it 'King Ming'? (As in Ming Campbell, leader of the Lib Dems.)

If it isn't, it should be.
by RTT - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 9:39pm
Neil T said: Now how about you post one that some of us can solve, instead of one that most (indeed all) of us can't?!
A further hint to the previous one: Two years ago the clue would not have worked.
by Neil T - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 9:33pm
RTT said: 1) Valkyrie

2) Black Prince
That was quick! Now how about you post one that some of us can solve, instead of one that most (indeed all) of us can't?!

(Valkyrie: V (= 5* in Roman numerals) + A + L (= learner = novice) + KYRIE (Kylie with 'R[ight]' for 'L[eft]', i.e. 'having changed sides'). Black Prince: see here for the 'other', non-boat-burning, reference.)
by RTT - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 9:25pm
Neil T said: Two more meta-clues, as noone seems to be able to get Tom's:

She carried heroes to glory, including '5' (a novice) and a stunner who'd changed sides (8)

Who had burning desire for Fair Maid of Kent? (5, 6)

(Wikipedia might be helpful in understanding the second.)
1) Valkyrie

2) Black Prince
by Neil T - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 9:15pm
Two more meta-clues, as noone seems to be able to get Tom's:

She carried heroes to glory, including '5' (a novice) and a stunner who'd changed sides (8)

Who had burning desire for Fair Maid of Kent? (5, 6)

(Wikipedia might be helpful in understanding the second.)
by RTT - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 7:11pm
Neil T said: 1) The definition is 'A rallying cry', and the answer is formed from two shorter words (total 8 letters) meaning 'leader', e.g. 'king', 'CO', etc.
This is the correct interpretation. I'd refer you back to the qualifier stated before the clue - not everyone reading this site will be able to get it.
by gf - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 2:03pm
Bit of a guess said: clutter?
Indeed.
by Bit of a guess - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 1:24pm
gf said: How about a "meta-clue" in the meantime...

RTT clue could create chaos. (7)
clutter?

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