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by Simon - Mon 12th Mar 2007, 4:09pm
As this is crosswords and other puzzles, here's one from ITVPlay, currently subject to inevstigation by Ofcom:
A graphic asked viewers to "Add the pence" from "Two pounds, 25p, £1.47, 16p, Fifty pence".
More than three hours later, the host announced the answer was 506 and that no-one had won. No method was given. ITV has denied the problem was particularly complex but has not commented further.
by Highest common factor - Fri 9th Mar 2007, 9:46am
Nice. I can't come up with anything to follow that though.
by Neil T - Fri 9th Mar 2007, 8:55am
Fabulous Ming's hot coach of term: number one for two thousand and seven? (7, 6, 6)
I'll take the stony silence as a request for hints, so here you go:

1) No specialist knowledge is required; anyone at the club (or not at the club) could solve this.

2) Unlike the clue, the answer has nothing to do with rowing.

3) If I'm honest, 'Fabulous' wasn't a great choice of word. It enhances the surface reading but is a bit dubious in the cryptic reading. Better would have been "Staggering Ming's...".
by Neil T - Thu 8th Mar 2007, 12:53am
RTT said: ...(not that I can see a great deal of use for it here).
I think the 1st Men might disagree with that.

So here's one for them:

Fabulous Ming's hot coach of term: number one for two thousand and seven? (7, 6, 6)
by RTT - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 10:21pm
Olly Olly said: Oh that's just silly. Apologies to the 99% of people reading this who are confused.
I did say it was not for everyone. In fact, I guess it was really just aimed at you (although clearly there are plenty of others who would be able to get it).

Having said that, I like the new chant (not that I can see a great deal of use for it here).
by Olly Olly - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 10:16pm
RTT said: Sorry, no. I was originally going to use the word "masters" instead of "leaders", but decided the latter sounded better in relation to the bumps.
Oh that's just silly. Apologies to the 99% of people reading this who are confused. I prefer 'King Ming' as an answer anyway, and may chant it a few times now to reinforce that view.
by RTT - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 10:06pm
Neil T said: Is it 'King Ming'? (As in Ming Campbell, leader of the Lib Dems.)

If it isn't, it should be.
Sorry, no. I was originally going to use the word "masters" instead of "leaders", but decided the latter sounded better in relation to the bumps.
by Neil T - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 10:03pm
RTT said: A further hint to the previous one: Two years ago the clue would not have worked.
Is it 'King Ming'? (As in Ming Campbell, leader of the Lib Dems.)

If it isn't, it should be.
by RTT - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 9:39pm
Neil T said: Now how about you post one that some of us can solve, instead of one that most (indeed all) of us can't?!
A further hint to the previous one: Two years ago the clue would not have worked.
by Neil T - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 9:33pm
RTT said: 1) Valkyrie

2) Black Prince
That was quick! Now how about you post one that some of us can solve, instead of one that most (indeed all) of us can't?!

(Valkyrie: V (= 5* in Roman numerals) + A + L (= learner = novice) + KYRIE (Kylie with 'R[ight]' for 'L[eft]', i.e. 'having changed sides'). Black Prince: see here for the 'other', non-boat-burning, reference.)
by RTT - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 9:25pm
Neil T said: Two more meta-clues, as noone seems to be able to get Tom's:

She carried heroes to glory, including '5' (a novice) and a stunner who'd changed sides (8)

Who had burning desire for Fair Maid of Kent? (5, 6)

(Wikipedia might be helpful in understanding the second.)
1) Valkyrie

2) Black Prince
by Neil T - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 9:15pm
Two more meta-clues, as noone seems to be able to get Tom's:

She carried heroes to glory, including '5' (a novice) and a stunner who'd changed sides (8)

Who had burning desire for Fair Maid of Kent? (5, 6)

(Wikipedia might be helpful in understanding the second.)
by RTT - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 7:11pm
Neil T said: 1) The definition is 'A rallying cry', and the answer is formed from two shorter words (total 8 letters) meaning 'leader', e.g. 'king', 'CO', etc.
This is the correct interpretation. I'd refer you back to the qualifier stated before the clue - not everyone reading this site will be able to get it.
by gf - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 2:03pm
Bit of a guess said: clutter?
Indeed.
by Bit of a guess - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 1:24pm
gf said: How about a "meta-clue" in the meantime...

RTT clue could create chaos. (7)
clutter?
by gf - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 11:49am
How about a "meta-clue" in the meantime...

RTT clue could create chaos. (7)
by Neil T - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 11:25am
gf said: Hmm... within rally co-drivers' pacenotes, there are various four-letter words which might somehow be applicable ("bump", "fast", "easy"...) but I can't find a combination which sits well with the rest of the clue.
I'm baffled by this. The only two interpretations I can come up with are:

1) The definition is 'A rallying cry', and the answer is formed from two shorter words (total 8 letters) meaning 'leader', e.g. 'king', 'CO', etc.

2) The whole clue is a cryptic definition, possibly punning on 'rally' meaning 'to drive a car in a rally race' or 'to get better' or 'to demonstrate/protest', and with 'the two leaders' possibly referring to the double headship.
by gf - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 11:12am
RTT said: One for the venatoris:

A rallying cry for the two leaders (4,4).
Are we over-complicating this one? Could it just be "Hold fast" ???
by gf - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 11:06am
RTT said: One for the venatoris:

A rallying cry for the two leaders (4,4).
Hmm... within rally co-drivers' pacenotes, there are various four-letter words which might somehow be applicable ("bump", "fast", "easy"...) but I can't find a combination which sits well with the rest of the clue.
by Joff - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 10:44am
well yes, I got that much. didn't know if there was an additional definition or bit that I missed. I suppose 'that's what andy thinks we are' but surely the 'but different' should go next to the 'same woe'? bah. one day, one day I will understand these stupid things..
by Richard - Wed 7th Mar 2007, 10:29am
MC Chung said: same woe - that's what we are, according to Andy, but different this time! (7)
I'm not particularly good at cryptic crosswords, but "same woe" is an anagram of awesome, which seems to fit the bill.
by RTT - Tue 6th Mar 2007, 8:24pm
Neil T said: I guess one of the words is probably 'head'?
Nope.
by Neil T - Tue 6th Mar 2007, 9:49am
A rallying cry for the two leaders (4,4).
Struggling a bit with this one. I guess one of the words is probably 'head'?

A couple of people have asked for an explanation of the (6, 8) clue below, so here it is:

'First and Third decked in gold' = 'gold' with the first and third letters removed ('decked') = OD

so: 'First and Third decked in gold and blue remarkably' = OD and BLUE 'remarkably' (anagrammed) = DOUBLE

'crown' = HEAD

'end of Bumps' = S

'with it' = HIP (as in 'trendy')

and the whole clue is also the definition.
by RTT - Mon 5th Mar 2007, 12:51am
One for the venatoris:

A rallying cry for the two leaders (4,4).
by awesome! - Sun 4th Mar 2007, 11:22pm
but I don't think I got most of that clue..! (which reflects my crossword inability rather than your clue ming!)
by MC Chung - Sun 4th Mar 2007, 10:57pm
same woe - that's what we are, according to Andy, but different this time! (7)
by MC Chung - Sun 4th Mar 2007, 9:50pm
Double Headship. Not bad Neil, I'm impressed.
by Neil T - Sun 4th Mar 2007, 9:02pm
Not from tomorrow's Times Crossword (Mars Bar for the first correct answer):

First and Third decked in gold and blue remarkably crown end of Bumps with it (6, 8)
by past it - Mon 22nd Jan 2007, 10:05am
Neil T said: I don't know of anything lower than this.
Diving is.. I'd be eligible to dive 'masters'. If I could dive that is. It caters for 'adults of all abilities', so I presume the lower limit is 18.
by Neil T - Fri 28th Jul 2006, 7:59am
RTT said: We were wondering at work today which sport has the lowest age for veteran / master status. Rowing (27) is obviously pretty low, but then this is mainly because it is sub-categorised and thus flexible enough to have something approaching a fair system for any age. Still, there must be something lower. Women's gymnastics maybe (bet that'd be about 16....)?
In swimming the qualification age for 'Masters' events is 25. I don't know of anything lower than this.
by RTT - Fri 28th Jul 2006, 7:31am
We were wondering at work today which sport has the lowest age for veteran / master status. Rowing (27) is obviously pretty low, but then this is mainly because it is sub-categorised and thus flexible enough to have something approaching a fair system for any age. Still, there must be something lower. Women's gymnastics maybe (bet that'd be about 16....)?
by Neil T - Tue 25th Jul 2006, 1:55pm
Neil T said: From Saturday's Times:

Too high to catch? (10)
Answer: Ultrasonic
by Roy Walker - Mon 24th Jul 2006, 10:38am
Mike said: [me at] frontstops?
It's good, but it's not the one.
by Mike - Mon 24th Jul 2006, 10:15am
Neil T said: From Saturday's Times:

Too high to catch? (10)
[me at] frontstops?
by Neil T - Sun 23rd Jul 2006, 4:53pm
From Saturday's Times:

Too high to catch? (10)
by RTT - Wed 22nd Feb 2006, 11:30pm
Funniest clue I've seen in ages (no prizes for guessing the publication):

OBN candidate gets to be repellant penetrating a dog (10)?
by Get your PBs down - Tue 31st Jan 2006, 1:26pm
To all crossworders:

DO THE TIMES TODAY.

I have just reduced my PB to 4'04".
by Neil T - Tue 31st Jan 2006, 1:21pm
This may be too late, but...

10 RP is 10 Rillington Place, the scene of several grisly murders a la Fred West. (Also a film I think.) GET IN!!
by Simon - Tue 17th Jan 2006, 8:50pm
gf said: Depending on which one you believe from a selection of four sources I've found so far, there are 8, 9, 17 or... 10 Royal Parks.
I was in the green that is bordered by the Palace of Westminster, Millbank, and the Thames this morning, and the by-laws posted there named 20 sites which are managed by the Royal Parks.
by Mike - Tue 17th Jan 2006, 5:29pm
The Power said: 1, 18 next?
Yup. I'm ashamed to say I didn't get it at the time.
by The Power - Tue 17th Jan 2006, 3:53pm
Mike said: A nice one from Radio 1 this morning:

What is the next number in this sequence?

16, 8, 11, 14, 9, 12, 5, 20
1, 18 next?
by Mike - Tue 17th Jan 2006, 2:50pm
A nice one from Radio 1 this morning:

What is the next number in this sequence?

16, 8, 11, 14, 9, 12, 5, 20
by Andy - Tue 10th Jan 2006, 11:02am
we had this argument in the boat house, whether, a billion was, 1,000,000,000 or 1,000,000,000,000
And also whether an octillion is 10^48 or 10^27, I'm not using any of that inferior american arithmetic
by jmg - Tue 10th Jan 2006, 10:53am
Andy said: 1,000,000,000,000
Very British of you!
by Andy - Mon 9th Jan 2006, 6:01pm
Mike said: 8
3
5

And then I get stuck.
Ok, you've got it, there's no 10th or 11th term
by Mike - Mon 9th Jan 2006, 5:50pm
Andy said: What comes next in this sequence?
8
3
5

And then I get stuck.
by Andy - Mon 9th Jan 2006, 4:58pm
What comes next in this sequence?
101
1,000,000,000,000
10^48
100
1
4
by not even bothered - Thu 29th Dec 2005, 4:27pm
Tom C said: speed in a built up area
18 TITP

Eighteen Turns in the Park (its a sculpture in the Sepentine Gallery?)
by Tom C - Thu 29th Dec 2005, 2:05pm
jmg said: One of the ones we got before I posted, 180 MSITD was 'maximum score in three darts', so I'm thinking this could be maximum score in something?
speed in a built up area
by jmg - Thu 29th Dec 2005, 9:07am
jmg said: 30 MSIABUA
One of the ones we got before I posted, 180 MSITD was 'maximum score in three darts', so I'm thinking this could be maximum score in something?

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